tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10822527.post2671741998504665641..comments2023-08-15T10:03:46.797-05:00Comments on JulyDream: Time to Retrain?JulyDreamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07397582842098893308noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10822527.post-64107769624149131172009-03-18T13:25:00.000-05:002009-03-18T13:25:00.000-05:00@Oren,Fine, develop leaders instead of create lead...@Oren,<BR/><BR/>Fine, develop leaders instead of create leaders. Is there any demonstrated outcome or evidence that if I am looking for an opportunity to develop my leadership skills, that Darden or any business school will successfully do this? Should business schools continue to claim this as an area of expertise when there doesn't seem to any evidence?<BR/><BR/>It did take me a few years to come to the conclusion that Diet Coke won't help me lose weight. But the combination of nutra sweet and caffiene is a hell of a drugDeadhedgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11008127800157145755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10822527.post-30464352341245803592009-03-18T06:28:00.000-05:002009-03-18T06:28:00.000-05:00Deadhedge,I believe the word used by Darden was de...Deadhedge,<BR/><BR/>I believe the word used by Darden was develop and not create leaders. You can't really expect to create leaders by going to school for two years, or did you really expect b-schools to do that?<BR/><BR/>To me, this sounds like expecting that drinking diet coke would cause one to lose weight.<BR/><BR/>B-Schools give you a toolkit by teaching and through experiences that would help you in making judgments in the future. That is not to say one can't become a leader, b-schools can develop your leadership skills, but can't really make you into one.<BR/><BR/>I've served in the military and to your point, even the military can't make everyone into a leader.<BR/><BR/>Good post July Dream.Orenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14694968915685122158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10822527.post-60310389221487496212009-03-17T18:16:00.000-05:002009-03-17T18:16:00.000-05:00July Dream, from reading your posts, I see the tal...July Dream, from reading your posts, I see the talks about leadership and ethics as the framework for the value of an MBA program while the NY Times talk about how MBA's have failed dramatically in those areas. To be fair, most people in a corporate environment have MBA's so the odds are that MBA's will fail more. It's almost like saying people who wear red ties are failing since the odds are that a disgraced CEO has a red tie. If Masters in History were common in a corporate environment, than we would be bemoaning the lapses in those programs.<BR/><BR/>Since I graduated in 2003, b-schools have been touting their ability to create leaders not managers and their ethics class. These are 2 difficult things to learn in a classroom and b-schools do not have any tangible outcomes to demonstrate they do it well. They have produced wonderful rhetoric and are great at studying it. Can you identify how Darden has moved the needle at all in leadership and development other an accepting already ethically talented leaders? I'm not talking about activities like this class or that class but is there any evidence whatsoever that your classmates improved in those areas and would not have improved in another venue.<BR/><BR/>I think that b-schools need to accept failure in their ability to train leaders or produce ethicists. Nothing is wrong with that as no one else has a great solution of how to teach these in an open corporate environment. The military can teach leadership in a closed system and ethics can flourish in a monastary. B-schools have tried to embrace a competency and failed. It's time to move on. That's why I challenged you on your post.<BR/><BR/>I think that a more serious question to be address is some form of advanced credentialing to embrace the trade school aspects of b-school. B-schools need to really identify again what they are good at and than demonstrate it. Most other trade professions require additional training or credentialing so why not b-school?Deadhedgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11008127800157145755noreply@blogger.com